The video shows a WhipMag device (spinning neodymium magnets). Could this be the real answer to the energy crisis? Perpetual motion (overunity) may not seem so fictional after all.
Such a device, otherwise known as an overunity machine delivers more energy than was put into it.
Could such a technology be the fuel source of tomorrow? Are we really on the cusp of free energy? Or will the oil barons have their say, and thwart progress!!!
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April 9th, 2008 at 2:41 am
NO.
April 9th, 2008 at 3:01 am
amazing
April 9th, 2008 at 3:53 am
As a physicist, I feel compelled to point out that it’s been mathematically and experimentally proven time and again that energy cannot be created. from nothing.
-Trevor
April 9th, 2008 at 6:19 am
seems interesting, but i wonder if it would be able to power something and keep its momentum tho?
April 9th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
or will the laws of physics be found to be valid, still….
April 9th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
That is amazing!!! I couldn’t believe it…
April 9th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Amazing.
April 9th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
bollocks
April 9th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
lolwut?
April 9th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
there is an *apparent* breakdown of Newton’s third law and the conservation of angular momentum when dealing with magnetic fields and moving charges. I’m not sure how it could be shown that they don’t break down those laws, but there are cases where you can create a force without and equal and opposite force, and “create” angular momentum
April 9th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
incredible
April 9th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
To Trevor the physicist - if energy cannot be created from nothing then as a physicist please could you explain how the moon orbits the Earth? What is matter? What is gravity? Why does helium not become a solid when approaching 0 Kelvin.
Does Zero Point Energy not play a part in all of this?, including the Whipmag device…
TO Dan - there is indeed an apparent breakdown in Newton’s 3rd law, this is because we are beginning to understand that Einstein’s laws of relativity become obsolete on a minuscule scale, there are extraneous forces at work which we, as yet do not understand.
Perhaps the hadron collider will provide some answers.
April 9th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Hmmm, again as a physicist i feel inclined to point out that whilst the magnetic field created by the neodynium magnets could indeed oppose the magnetic field of the larger disc, there is no way that you could thermodynamically create any extra energy needed to accellerate the disc without outside influence (magnet under the desk?). The laws of thermodynamics have been proved time and time again, every year at the physics conferences someone comes along with an idea for a perpetual motion machine, and eery year is it disproved within a few days……sorry guys……it can’t work…..
April 9th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Chris how about a pulsed DC current in the form of a solenoid switch.
As the magnets are attracted to one another during rotation, the solenoids are then quickly pulsed thus ‘pushing’ the magnets through the retardant phase! I will be building this device over the next couple of weeks and I will keep you posted on how things progress.
I respect your views on perpetual motion, however what are your thoughts as a physicist on the Hadron Collider and the discovery of the Higgs Boson (God Particle).
Maybe this discovery would open up new portals and new questions to our very existence, including esoteric energy forces.
Kind regards
April 9th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
But how does it work?!
April 9th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
The million dollar question Gabe.
Only by trial and error in the the pursuit of understanding science more can we answer your question.
Perhaps it works off superluminal waves (galactic waves), which the magnets interfere with (alignment of wave forms) thus causing excess power to be produced than what was put into the system.
Or perhaps there is a magnet stuck underneath the table as Chris suggested. The only way to find out is to have a go at building one and to debunk the sceptics or to agree that they were right all along.
Either way I’m going to start building one, I will keep you posted on how things progress.
April 9th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
This is an email i wrote to someone many moons ago and thought you may be interested in my ravings as a lunatic :))
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I’m fascinated with neutrinos and zero-point energy. A simple question physics can’t answer is “how is it possible to push a pint glass across a table?”
With present day physics it’s explained by the bullshit of newtonian mechanics, momentum, co-efficient of restitution, etc. But what ACTUALLY is happening. On a sub-atomic scale, i believe that there’s a tearing of the fabric of space and time that surrounds all known matter in the universe. The drinker imparts a force on the pint glass in the form of bosons which converts to kinetic energy . These interact at a quantum level with the molecular, atomic structure of the glass. The glass is matter that on a sub-atomic level consists of fermions. They become excited upon recieving their partner in crime, the bosons, and interact with the fabric of space time. They are then ‘transported’ or like a boat they float along the fabic of space-time. The initial boson, or force carying particle acts i suppose like a wind blowing the sails. It is now understood that this sea of vibrant energy consist of a possible further 26 dimensions. What we perceive as 4-dimensional space-time just sits upon this sea (zero-point energy) and is carried along pending the information the force carrying particle(boson) has to say for itself !
Going back to the glass analogy, the wake created by the boat is equivalent to the tearing of this secondary, 26 space-time dimension. I just find it ironic that billions are spent on space travel, astronomy, etc without much knowledge as to the understanding of whats inside a block of wood! The LHC should be most interesting to keep an eye on :)).
I adamantly believe that Physics will negate religion by the shear fact of understanding the laws of nature. The grand unification theory will be just an explanation of how the 4 dimensions and 26 dimensions amalgamate to form the universe we live in.
If you google tesla waves, zero-point energy and more interestingly “superluminary waves”. All these subjects from what i’ve tried to piece together are all the same thing. A common, universal sea of energy. We can’t touch, smell, taste or feel it but where we’re at technologically, we’ll never be able to measure it. By the year 2020 i reckon quantum computers will be prevalent or at least near commercialisation as Moore’s Law states that electronics halves in size and doubles in power every 18 months. By 2020 there just won’t be enough room on a silicon chip even with lithographic nanotechnology. These quantum computers will then be able to compute age old questions and so open up a whole new revolution of evolution, both mechanically and biologically.
I feel that with the advent of BlueTooth headsets we’ll also evolve into alien heads, ie. big frontal lobes and bulbous cranial regions. This will then form a shield to the ever increasing amount of electromagnetic spectrum radiation. Did you know that BlueTooth operates on the same part of the EM spectrum as microwaves. These things are frying the fucking brain. Fair enough, on their own they’re harmless just like the background radiation from the cosmos, but put fifty people on a train (faraday cage) all using their headsets and then see what ramifications that will have over a few decades of cultural behaviour.
FYI as well, they’ve just commissioned the build of the worlds first nuclear fusion reactor…in south France. Should be a viable power plant in 50 years they reckon. Imagine power of the sun on earth. No need for oil…hoorah.
There are only four fundamental forces known in the universe. They are :
1. Electromagnetism
2. Gravity
3. Weak nuclear force
4. Strong nuclear force
Gravity is the weakest by far which just compounds what i’m saying about Gravity as a pushing force and not as the bullshit that millenium has educated, a pulling force. An astronaut is not pulled to the earth. Please indulge me for my explanation…
Each and every single piece of matter which exists in the universe is made up of fermions, leptons, quarks, hadrons, etc, etc. I’m sure they’ll be many, many more to come when quantum computers can compute the quantum. But anyway, these constituent elements are all binded together by the weak and strong nucleonic forces to form a rock for our example. If a particle of dust was to travel in space and to then come across our piece of rock it would hit and perhaps form a crater on the rock. But what if that particle now became so tiny it would be defined as massless. So, so tiny that using current instrumentation it couldn’t be detected. This particle or neutrino would just pass through our rock. The neutrino would go past all the atoms and electrons and come out the other side unscathed ! On it’s own then we’d never know of this particles existence but if there were a wave of them then that would be a different story. Now imagine that our rock becomes planet sized and our particles are still these tiny neutrinos. The planet would now offer a higher probability of a ’strike’ occurring as there are more atoms and electrons in the way to hit. This is the very essence of why i think gravity is a pushing force. Here it is…..
THE PLANETS ACT AS SHIELDS FROM THE NEUTRINOS FROM DEEP SPACE. A PERSON STANDING ON THE NORTH POLE FOR EXAMPLE WILL HAVE SOME PARTICLES BLOCKED FROM THE WAVE OF ENERGY(NEUTRINOS) COMING FROM THE SOUTH. THIS MEANS THERE IS AN OVERALL DEFICIT OF NEUTRINOS!!
This deficit is what gives us the perception of being pulled to the earth. There are more neutrinos hitting the person on the head at the north pole than there are neutrinos hitting the persons feet because some of the neutrinos have been absorbed by the earth, ie. you are pushed into the earth’s crust from ABOVE.
This deficit will be consistent across the surface of the planet as the matter and therefore the density dictates how much absorption there will be and would explain why planets are spheroids due to a uniformal bombardement and equalisation and interaction of energies. The fact that it’s called 1G or 9.81m/s is neither here nor there. For the same reason Jupiter has a higher gravitational pull or as I’ve hopefully persuaded you is now called ‘neutrino shielding’. Jupiter is much larger and perhaps has an even higher density of closer packed atoms offering even more of a shield and thus more of a difference between the unaffected waves from above and the ‘weaker’ waves that have traversed the planet body.
This is why i truly believe that a simple anti-gravity machine would be just an umbrella made of such material that has absolutely no spaces in between the atoms/electrons. Once the umbrella is opened it provides a local variation in the number of neutrinos from above. This would cause a void or vacuum immediately under the brolly so enabling you to just float upwards by the very fact that you are now being pushed from the souls of your feet from the neutrinos coming from below, which won’t be blocked.
One more final point. I believe we will communicate with aliens but only once we’ve shed our physical form and are allowed to becomes balls of massless energy that will be free to travel anywhere in the universe at super-luminary speeds. These entities of energy will behave as ants do and will all serve the common cause. A collective consciousness of free energy. There must be intelligent energy out there its just that we’re still in the cave when it comes to understanding our own existence.
At present, we are at an evolutionary stage where we can only shine a small torch on a dark cave wall. Within this millennium, humanity will have the insight to be able to just flick the switch and illuminate the cave in all its glory and show us the full brilliance of the multi-verse we are part of.
War and religion are just a simpler explanation to the workings of the universe, to pacify the dumb and stupid into believing that a deity overlooks their every move. I guess it makes them feel special in an existence of otherwise infinitesimal nothingness.
We are, at the end the day, just space dust that fell on a beach of eternal existence. We’re so easily blown away by the winds of energy to make way for newer generations. .
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Regards
Killum46
April 10th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Might it be pulling energy from a parallel universe?
April 10th, 2008 at 1:01 am
I couldn’t agree more Doctor.
I talk about branes (other Universes) in an earlier post: - http://solreka.com/blog/2012/gravity-2012-and-the-hadron-collider-part-1/
The existence of branes would certainly help explain why gravity is so weak.
The Hadron Collider switch on in May 2008 is a very exciting time for all of humanity. Perhaps it will create a portal to a parallel universe or higher dimension!
http://solreka.com/blog/2012/doomsday-lawsuit-hadron-collider/
April 10th, 2008 at 2:07 am
Sometimes it’s extremely difficult for me to believe that people on the internet exist. Especially those who claim to be “physicists”, while in the same sentence suggesting that the the energy being demonstrated in this video is being created from “Nothing”.
I’ll spell it out for those sheltered folk who say that this is “fake” or “impossible”. The ‘perpetual’ motion being created here is an efficient use of magnetization. They are driving the motor. This is extremely energy efficient, but magnets do eventually lose their ‘charge’ (i’m really simplifying here). The energy isn’t being created from the magnets themselves, but the motor they’re running. If this principle were developed and put to use on a larger scale, you would essentially have a turbine or motor that assists in the generation of energy from a larger source, while using very little energy to run the motor itself.
April 10th, 2008 at 6:27 am
OK, let’s not get too much into all the forces in the universe what the physics laws mean and actually explain why a perpetual motion machine (PMM) is impossible.
First lets divide the PMM into 2 types:
A- It uses the energy it has to make more energy, we shall call this recursive, because it uses the energy it generates to make more.
B- It generates a slight excess of the energy that was put in, we are going to call this constant, because they generate a constant source of energy.
Now the energy that is put into the machine may be in the form of matter or pure energy, you could move magnets, throw trash and burn it, whatever, in the end all of this is energy that is put in. To convert matter into energy I point you to the famous law E=MC^2.
OK, lets first talk about a recursive PMM. Because the increase in energy is directly proportional to the amount of energy at any given time, the amount of energy grows exponetialy. This means that something is going to blow up. Let’s invent a simple machine, basically it goes through a whole cycle every second, and each cycle doubles the energy. This means that the amount of energy produced is E02^t where t is the time the machine has passed in seconds and E0 is the amount of energy we put in initially. Say we put 1 J into the machine, because I’m lazy and patient. In a second the machine gives 2 Joules out and grabs one in. A minute later I have 1.152921505e+18 joules out there. GREAT that means that I can power whole cities right!?
Well no, you see, the hiroshima bomb had about 4.18e15 J of energy release suddenly, now the only way you can keep that much energy under control is if it’s matter. But energy can’t become matter without breaking the laws of thermodynamics, it’d first explode than condense. But hell, in this world I can run a PPM so thermodynamics can go to hell. Now lets say that it’s pulling out chunks of matter, hey that’s a good buisness, right? Now remeber that E = MC² so M = E/C² but remeber that we are making 2^t Joules every second, so let’s put that in to find how much matter we are making. 2^t/C² which means that every second I’m making something double massive. So I’ll finish with a black hole soon enough, so there goes that.
What about a constant PPM? Those are easy to control right? Well no, first lets start by the fact that it’s always possible to add a third mechanism that returns the output energy into the input of our constant PPM, making it recursive. You can do this with actually machines right now, but they always output less energy than they input, so after a while they all stop.
Lets say though, that you’re machine for some strange reason can’t have it’s output handled in any way that would make it possible to input it back into the machine, I don’t have a theorem so I’m going to see what would happen.
It would still blow up, only now it would do it very slowly, burning the earth slowly away, or maybe making it collapse. As I’ve show before the machine can either ouput energy, which added to the energy in the sun would slowly burn the world away. Think about it, the earth recieves N Joules of heat (you can measure it in calories, it’s the same) plus it also releases N Joules from it’s own internal processes, add to that whatever other potential energy is being converted into heat (burning oil for example) and then it releases M potential energy. Global warming is due to us making the M smaller with CO2 on the atmosphere, imagine what would happen if we added more input heat from our PPM? And don’t tell me “but it doesn’t generate heat!” It does generate heat, it will have friction, it just so happens that it generates even more energy than the friction, that’s how a PPM could work, there is no other way in this universe. Even then, the energy is used on “normal” non-Perpetual Motion Machines, which means they release hella heat out there. So again it would create a very slow explosion, slowly melting and evaporating everything, expanding it constantly.
Good so all PPMs end in explosions, there can’t be one in this universe. I will though, agree that there can be a PPM, because there once was one, but it happened outside of this universe, space and time. Yes people I’m talking about the Big Bang, it’s the ultimate and logical result of a PPM, so who knows, maybe we can make a singularity, a new big bang in this universe, just don’t do it on this galaxy please.
Noting on the video: the first acceleration comes from the push. Next you need to push a magnet so that it sincronizes with the occilations of the greater disk. You are putting again more energy into it, so when they sincronize again (they where originally sincronized, but you stopped the magnet) you input even more energy into the system again.
When you stop the magnet energy is transfered into the inner disk, this is the energy the magnets originally had, no new energy is ever made in this PPM, it’s a hoax, a delusional idea, a misunderstandment of what is trully happening. If the machine was runned for a few more “cycles” aka stopping the magnet and syncronizing it again, you’d notice you have to move the magnets really fast and that it’d start becoming harder to stop the magnets, and that the disk wouldn’t speed up as much as before. It might be possible though that I’m wrong and thanks to the magnets and the low friction of the machine it always is as easy to make the disc accelerate, but notice you are still putting in more energy.
Notes on comments (starting from the bottom up)
Energy from a parallel universe would rush into this universe making another big bang (many believe that the big bang was when two branes touched) or would escape this universe unto the next, this would happen because of thermodynamics.
The LHC won’t do much really, it’ll make pretty drawings that only well trained scientist will understand with the help of computers after years of analysis. Some people believe that the most important particles have been “seen”, but the data hasn’t been analised so no one has realized it yet.
No one truly understand the laws and there are too many ways to see something, that fact that EVERY single physical event is relative doesn’t help too much. But the rules that have been found have a reason of being, if an explanation worked better than another it would make some statements, would claim something should happen under the right situation. You would have to be able to show this happens to prove your point. Say the neutrino theory, if gravity is a result of neutrinos (which doesn’t quite explain orbits) objects that relase neutrinos should repel other matter, generate “anti-gravity” but neutron starts, which release an incredible amount of neutrinos, are quite “massive” which means that attract other matter, ergo neutrinos pushing stuff is not gravity.
NOTE HERE: THE LHC WILL PROVE NOTHING YOU’LL EVER GET TO SEE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, AND IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE WORLD IN ABOUT 20. EVEN NOW NEWTONIAN PHYSICS OR CLASICAL PHYSICS ARE USED FOR MOST PROBLEMS. RELATIVITY IS USED IN FEW APPLICATIONS, QUATUM PHYSICS IS USED ON EVEN LESS. YOUR TV DOESN’T USE QUATUM PHYSICS TO CONTROL INDIVIDUAL ELECTRONS. YOUR COMPUTERS, YOUR MICROWAVES AND FEW OTHER DEVICES USE A LITTLE OF QUATUM PHYSICS FOUND EFFECTS. WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO KNOW HOW TO USE WHAT WE UNDERSTAND ALREADY.
Sorry for that, cruise control off.
Orbiting doesn’t use energy, they mantain energy, it’s what physics calls potential energy. Even though it’s taught in high school it’s actually a very complex thing to understand, I know few people who do and I doubt that I understand it fully. Let’s just keep it at, the moon would need energy to get farther from the earth, and would loose energy to get closer. If it keeps on a circle it will not loose nor need more energy. There is friction even in space, the moon is crashing against all kinds of dust and particles out there, even the light slows down the moon, but I believe we can all agree that dust and light is really small and doesn’t slow it down that much. Given enough time everything will crash into what it’s orbiting, but at the speed it’s going I guess the sun will explode before the moon crashes into earth due to slow down from friction.
tl;dr If a perpetual motion machine existed it would explode inmediately, if allowed to run for enought time (and not having it self-destruct) it’d destroy the entire planet. Look at the video carefully, there is no need for hidden motors or magnets, the guy is always putting more energy into the machine through the magnets. And most of all of this is shit
Thank you, good night and keep sharp San Diego.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
… this is a video of a spinning disk. i think that, comparing a video of a spinning disk put up against mountains of evidence indicating that the conservation of energy is an extremely valid law, the spinning disk is losing the battle.
you’re throwing a lot of terms around, admin, but they don’t all necessarily pertain to the argument here.
when you’re talking about explaining how the moon orbits the earth, are you talking about how gravity works at all? that is one of the things we don’t understand. if you accept gravity as a force, orbit is easily explained.
there is no “breakdown of newton’s third law” when dealing with magnetic fields - magnetic fields are not a real existing thing, they are a useful imaginary construct used to describe electrical interactions. this “breakdown” doesn’t occur, all the energy can be accounted for with these fields.
April 10th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
May 2008 for the HTC is very wishful thinking. I imagine it will be more like Q4 2008.
April 10th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
dude. Just no. there’s just no such thing as energy from nothing - physics says so. Heck though, if it’s true maybe it will massively decrease the entropy of the universe??
April 10th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
This thing is giving off noise. This means that eventually it will wear away from its hinges and axles and fall apart. Its loosing energy, so it wont perpetually keep spinning
April 10th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Great post admin, some valid opinions that are most refreshing from the usual uTube crap you get. However, i feel that peoples arguments are fundamentally flawed, namely “energy from nothing”.
If people can take the leap of imagination and understand that there exists an omnipotent wave of ’super-luminal’ energy/dark matter/aether/neutrinos, etc, then maybe, just maybe, it is easier to understand the very nature of existence.
i read somewhere that if you could get a cup-full of ethereal energy, there’s enough energy to boil all the worlds oceans dry!
Think of this super-luminal wave or God-wave permeating free space as a scalar wave that behaves like a galactic battery, charging all that it comes into contact with on a sub-quantum level (extra-dimensional space-time). This would explain how orbiting electron clouds don’t crash into the atomic nucleus because they are ‘trickle-fed’ by this outside super-luminal wave.
This super-luminal wave holds a residual fingerprint of energy of everything it passes through much like flicking a rope and watching the transverse wave move along the length. The air around the rope is affected by the rope moving and so from an outside point of view you could sense the air movement and come to the logical conclusion that the air moves due to an external source, ie. the rope.
now back to the whip-mag, the system is NOT an enclosed and insular device. At the right frequency the magnets resonate with the God-wave (horrible term, but effective for point of illustration) and are thus fed by energy from an outside source. The system then exists not just on a desk but as part of the universe, similar to a boat bouncing on a choppy sea. We can’t just accept that experiments done on the deck of the ship are definitive because outside forces aren’t taken into account. This is the problem with Physics, in that system measurements don’t account for the invisible galactic charge that must exist to keep the status quo; we just don’t don’t have the equipment to measure such small frequencies of vibration…NOT YET anyway
Also, from a previous post, quantum computing with light pipes on motherboards is a very real solution been researched in labs across the world and the world has changed irrevocably since the advent of transistors using the quantum hall effect across the pnp/npn barrier.
one more thing, Troy said that “magnetic fields are not a real existing thing”, well i cannot disagree more. The grand unification is much simpler than we perceive in that only electro-magnetism exists as a ‘force’, all other forces are made up entities to appease current ideologies.
This universe is just one big hologram and our eyes are spectrum analysers where our brain then interprets this EM info into a tangible, physical world. The Pauli-exclusion principle stops us walking through walls but if we could change the fundamental frequency of the molecular waves within us all, then perhaps, one day, we will be able to transcend and walk through walls or maybe travel the cosmos in a heart beat as massless balls of ethereal energy.
Also, please understand that we are still cavemen when it comes to technology we have yet to discover. It is free thought and human curiosity that compels the few to dare to dream, otherwise we’d all still be dribbling, grunting Neanderthals, killing cats and dogs for food, but now have evolved enough to have Tescos everywhere. Who knows where the next 20 or 20,000 years will lead?
just my opinion, so take it on the chin :))
Regards
Killum46
April 10th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
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April 11th, 2008 at 1:30 am
You people are all total moon bats. Do you have any idea how old the idea of trying this method of perpetual motion is? I’d recommend taking some physics classes at your local university, because if you did you’d be embarrassed to say what you are now if you think this is a device that produces retrievable energy.
April 11th, 2008 at 5:03 am
I think all the dilettante pseudo-scientists expounding their pet theories are really funny. I am glad that the ignorant search out the ignorant and leave alone those who have real work to do.
April 11th, 2008 at 8:51 am
To the physicists above.
” You can’t get something from nothing ”
It’s the stupidest thing I have ever heard and when people realize how stupid and idiotic it is we will move out of our present dark ages.
We do this ever single day, day in day out. Wind Generation, Hydro electric. Tide generators. Solar cells. The list is very long indeed.
Yes it took energy to create it but then what? Who gives a damn as long as we can use it. Now this video is what ever but that dismissing everything while basking in the glory of say hydro is kind of stupid now isn’t it? Costs a lot of cash to pump that water back up stream now don’t it? Where can i send the bill for all this wind ?
We are not creating energy we convert it so get off your damn asses and figure out how to convert it more efficiently.
So many good ideas have been down right rejected by silly sayings like the one above. I’m sure Tesla run into the same idiots when he proposed the first Hydro Electric plant. A plant that is still running to this day BTW.. It might not be perfect but who cares as long as it works. I get a laugh out of those solar powered garden lights. Who cares it works ! Yes it’s not free but it does the job. There is a billion ideas that could convert energy from one form to a different one but silly sayings put the blinders on 99 % of the ideas. Solar heat stored in salt running generators. Who cares, make it work ! We bask in energy all around us but are to blind to see it.
April 11th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
It isn’t perpetual energy, it’s just more efficient use of the energy already available to us. It will spin very fast for a very long time, but not forever.
April 11th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
The term ‘perpetual energy’ could be construed to be a marketing term, similar to the coined term scientists made up:- black matter. Calling it perpetual energy allows us an arena to play in and explore the perplexities of science without constraint.
The important thing to focus on is that esoteric energy devices such as the whipmag, explore the fringes of our understanding of science. As such these devices are subject to ridicule.
I enjoy reading peoples comments such as impossible / stupid idea etc, as it shows how conditioned society has become and closed minded people are to alternative energy sources which have been suppressed for centuries.
Quote - ‘Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions’. - Albert Einstein
April 12th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Sorry, there’s no such thing as a perpetual motion machine, as many people hear have already stated. Energy comes from somewhere. Something doesn’t simply come from nothing. No matter where you think the energy powering this machine comes from (and you would all be wrong anyway), the point is that it comes from somewhere. And that somewhere has a finite amount of energy. Meaning that your machine would, eventually, stop. The point is, even if you make a machine that can draw all of the energy out of the universe and all those “branes,” it’s STILL not a perpetual motion machine, because a finite amount of energy is being consumed.
-Nemo
April 12th, 2008 at 6:46 am
@admin
Honestly, you need to change the title of the post. A perpetual motion device, as explained in the first paragraph of the wikipedia article on it, is the name given to devices that delivers more energy than was put into it. There is no such device here. Hence, it is misleading, as seen from the comments, to most people. I understand that you want to get more views by using a cool title, but posting obviously wrong titles is kinda embarrassing.
April 12th, 2008 at 10:30 am
In high school my physics teacher asked the class - “So, you’re driving down the highway at 60mph and you open the window… then you toss a piece of balled up paper out and watch it.. which way does it go?” We answered, “It goes backwards.” He replied, “No. It is still moving forward, the same direction of your car, it is just slowing down. Now.. the lesson, my students, is how many things do we still look at this way and don’t even realize it?”
Class was silent.
My point? Don’t be so quick to be negative and ‘know it all’ … you never know when you may realize your paper ball is going the same direction as you. People used to be -convinced- the world was flat.
April 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Steven, do you think the earth is still flat????
can u explain why moons dont crash into planets, why electrons dont loose energy and spiral into the nucleus. Also, can you explain the constant of proportionality in the following eq (the God constant):
F = GMm/r(2)
Then and only then can you go back to your precious wiki and spout archaic laws from newtonian days. conservation of energy is still valid, it’s just that we need to account for the whole system, ie the universe, not just insular desk-top experiments.
steven, i strongly suggest you look into Tesla’s work, wireless electricity has been known for 100 years yet is suppressed technology because they wouldn’t know where to put the meter to charge people.
April 12th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
If something coming from nothing is impossible, explain the origin of matter
April 12th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Exactly Germloucks. This question was posed by killum46. Our friend, Trevor the physicist hasn’t as yet replied.
There are certainly more questions about energy sources, matter, and gravity which science cannot currently answer, it’s just a shame that certain people are so dismissive of entertaining more esoteric ways of thinking.
As a footnote, the laws of thermodynamics fall apart when we discuss the subject of ZPE.
April 13th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I can’t believe I read all of the comments.
April 13th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Glad to hear it George
Does that mean you consider the Whipmag to be a viable candidate for an alternative energy source, or do you believe our physicist friend; that there is no such thing as perpetual motion and we are therefore governed by Newtonian and Euclidian laws for the rest of eternity?
Regards
April 13th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Explain the origin of matter? Why are people posing such ridiculous questions to a single person who professes to be a physicist?
April 13th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Holy crap…..I’ve read everything on this topic so far, and oh my god (just as a saying), I feel a lot smarter now. I would just like to thank everyone for educating me so much further into the world of space and time, magnetism, and so many other topics…. At first I just wanted to watch the video, and keep stumbling and get on with my life, but then, I got sucked in. You guys don’t know how bad I got sucked in. I just kept reading, and I even jotted down notes on the subject for further study. All I have to say is wow. Please, by all means, continue the discussion, and again I thank all of you for this knowledge I’ve received today. I’ll be back… xD
April 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
The question is as ridiculous as suggesting the whipmag is an impossible device.
We can only explore the boundaries of science by asking, as you put it ‘ridiculous questions’.
The more ridiculous the question, the more merit it poses and warrants an answer in my eyes. (Thinking outside the box).
People like Trevor and Chris, our physicist friends shouldn’t be so quick to dismay the idea that perpetual motion is impossible. They may understand physics more so than the rest of us, but it doesn’t entitle them to ridicule the way others think.
They are trapped in their confined ‘I am a physicist, therefore I know everything’ box and cannot accept the world of pseudo-science.
No one as yet has discussed the subject of ZPE. Could this help us answer the question - what is matter?
Regards.
April 13th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
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April 13th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Interesting how the bad lighting sounds exactly like a strobe light but is being described as a fluorescent light. A strobe light can produce an optical beat frequency that can result in a phototachometer (used in the RPM testing in the video) reading incorrectly. Thus, when claim is made about the RPM of any of the discs, we may be seeing 2 or 3 different RPMs on the phototachometer, but clearly, the verbal statement wants us to believe only the correct answer that supports the overunity equations involved. Sadly, there are other glaring errors:
-we can easily hide a rotating battery driven motor assembly inside the opaque center disc;
-the outside magnets could be a bit offcenter such that when they are spinning, they slow the center disc due to contacting it (which explains why the center disc spins faster when the outer magnets are stopped).
April 13th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Honestly people? We did this exact thing in a experiment in my High School Physics class!
The biggest problem was simply that the system was so finely setup that the smallest disturbance to the magnetic fields would screw this thing up. The whole thing runs in such a low energy state as it is, any attempt to pull some power out of it stopped the whole system immediately. It also doesn’t really increase in RPMs to my experience, it stabilizes at some reasonably high number depending on your configuration.
It would probably run for hours or days if you let it, but sooner or later it’s going to need something and then all those pesky thermo laws are going to start coming back to haunt you…
April 13th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Fair comment Gorge.
I guess the only way to really know is to build one.
I will build a whipmag and let you know how I get on. I welcome any feedback or criticism during the project build.
The most fascinating bit of the video is when the outer magnets are stopped and the inner wheel’s speed increases.
April 13th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
April 17th, 2008 at 2:05 am
Hard to build that one. As for it speeding up well maybe that is the normal speed and it’s been slowed down when all three outer magnets are spinning. You remove work and it speeds up. Just cause you don’t understand something don’t mean it don’t work.. Nobody so far has managed to build one of these things and confirm it works as seen on the video.
The world first perpetual motion device is here:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/981b/
Yes you can get something for nothing.
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Interesting subject, first of all i would like to say it is very small minded of the so called physicist to quote the laws of physics.
This is so typical of university educated sheep, they are taught the “laws” and they quote the “laws”, its a common fact that most breakthroughs are made by average people in sheds or people messing with devices like the whipmag.
When the laws of physics are broken, and they will be broken, then the so called boffins will be quoting new laws saying these laws cannot be broken. Remember when the academics said the world was flat it took an average man to prove them wrong.
Change is inevitable, laws will be broken from time to time and it will go on for the reign of mankind. The universe and beyond is totally unknown, forces, magnetism, time, space, who knows what awaits our discoveries. Open your mind!!!
Please leave the real inventing to normal people, not idiots taught parrot fashion from classrooms.
Invention is a flair, it cannot be taught from a book!
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Couldn’t have put it better myself Doug.
Wise words indeed. We seem to have been indoctrinated into a culture whereby the sheeple blindly follow and obey what they are fed by the erudites of this world.
Having a piece of paper with some letters after your name, means nothing to me. It simply means they may be an expert brain surgeon, but wouldn’t have a clue how to change the tyre of a car. The freedom to exchange our thoughts, knowledge and ideas must be paramount. I cannot emphasise this enough - ref Internet censorship.
We are all masters of our own destiny. Too many people forget this, and they simply fall into the trap of nothingness; they fall into the rat trap, succumbed and seduced by the evils of money, hierarchy, greed and selfishness.
Where is the love of humanity, shouldn’t this be the only method of barter and exchange!!!
Many thanks for your feedback, I look forward to hearing more from you.
Namaste
Sol
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